On Bananas, Fish, and Trade

Commenting on this blog post, Warren Platts writes:

If imports were stopped by a stroke of a pen, there would still be a trillion dollars of pent up demand per year from American consumers. If the demand for goods couldn’t be satisfied with imports, domestic manufacturers would take up the slack, creating jobs. Things would be more expensive, sure, but the GDP would grow a lot faster, more people would have good jobs.

Warren’s argument, while common, is incorrect.  Imports, which do satisfy demand, generate more demand for other products by virtue of the fact they are of lower economic cost.  As Warren says, if these imports were stopped, “things would be more expensive.”  This inherently means that there are not “trillions of dollars in pent up demand per year,”that American manufacturers can simply “take up the slack.”  Rather, those trillions of dollars are released by the imports and would become constrained by the forbidding of such.

By way of example, let’s say we have two countries: Bananaland and Fisherland. In autarky (that is, no trade), Bananaland can produce 50 fish or 50 bananas.  Fisherland can produce 100 bananas or 200 fish.  If each country divides their time evenly between each activity, Bananaland can produce and consume 25 bananas and 25 fish.  Fisherland can produce and consume 50 bananas and 100 fish.  In this autarky, the price of bananas in terms of fish is 1 in Bananaland and .5 in Fisherland (in other words, Bananaland needs to give up 1 fish to produce 1 banana.  Fisherland need only give up half a banana to produce 1 fish). The two countries open trade with one other and, given that both countries want to consume the same number of bananas after trade as before (an assumption made for simplicity; doesn’t change the story if we relax this), then the citizens of Bananaland agree to send 25 bananas for 37 fish (a price of .68).  To satisfy this, Bananaland stops producing fish and produces only bananas (they produce 50 bananas).  Fisherland cuts back on banana production to 25 but ramps up fish production to 150.  The day comes and the two trade.  Now, Bananaland consumes 25 bananas and 37 fish.  Fisherland consumes 50 bananas and 113 fish.  Their total economic well-being (crudely called “GDP”) is Bananaland: 62 (25+37) and Fisherland: 163 (50+113).

Bananaland, convinced their getting a bad deal following the lack of fishing in their country (remember, what was once a thriving industry) and the low prices they now pay, elect a protectionist on the grounds that he (and he alone) will “Make Bananaland Great Again!”  He promptly forbids all imports of fish from Fisherland.  They go back to their autarky ways.  Since Bananalanders now pay higher prices for their fish and more resources are devoted there than elsewhere, they can only consume 25 fish and 25 bananas.  Their GDP falls to 50!*  There was “pent up demand,” but the higher costs the various citizens now have to pay to even just consume the same amount they did before eats up that “pent up demand.”  The domestic manufacturing simply cannot supply it.

Adam Smith first explored this concept way back in 1776, and David Ricardo formalized it with the theory of Comparative Advantage.  Trade occurs for the simple reason that it provides people with better outcomes than other alternatives.  Other alternatives simply cannot provide the desired outcomes.

Update: I realized, as reading though this, I made a small math error.  It has been corrected.

*It’s worth nothing a similar decline happens to Fisherland, a nation where they can produce much higher levels than Bananaland.  Their GDP falls to 150.  Even their manufacturing cannot satisfy the “pent up demand.”

26 thoughts on “On Bananas, Fish, and Trade

  1. Why do so many misunderstand basic economics?

    Dispersed costs and concentrated benefits. In other words, we will steal from American taxpayers and consumers in order to reward political cronies. Is it any wonder so many companies have opened up offices in Washington, DC and hire so many lobbyists? If you ever wonder why there is so much money in politics, it is the fact that so many do not understand basic economics.

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  2. Hi Jon, that’s a good illustration of the Ricardo idea, albeit the math isn’t as you say: in this case GDP = C + X – M. Bananaland consumes 25B +37F, but net exports are 25B – 37F, so GDP is 50–what it always was, and stays the same whether there’s trade or not.

    Fisherland:
    Consumption:
    50B
    113F
    Next exports:
    37F
    -25B
    GDP = 175 (150F + 25B)

    Fisherland could maximise it’s GDP by completely specializing and producing nothing but Fish, in which case their GDP is 200. And of course you’re going to say: “But they get to consume few bananas!” Which gets back to the point as to the very notion a nation should specialize.

    You free traders act as if free trade is this centuries old theory–and that it is–but it was never policy in the US until about Reagan. Back in the day Alexander Hamilton and Tench Coaxe were fully aware of the British free trade theories–and rejected them because they were against the US national interest. If Smith/Ricardo were taken seriously back then, then the USA should have specialized in agriculture. This was the discussion back then. Read your history. Agriculture was the US’s competitive advantage. Britain had the manufacturing advantage. It was only through protection that US manufacturing took off. Protection is what made America great. Free trade has precipitated the slow decline of America. The funny thing is, only you American free traders are not aware of this fact.

    As I keep saying: the Rust Belt is the total falsification of the free trade theory. Free trade has failed to deliver its promises and scientific predictions. And that Greg guy is going to pipe up and say–“it’s American taxes and regulations that caused the deindustrialization of the USA!” Not true at all. Gimme a break. The competitive advantage of the ROW is the fact they pay slave wages in dangerous working conditions with little to no environmental considerations.

    Then there is Germany. A great place to live–ask any Syrian refugee. Somehow they manage to be great manufacturers and exporters–yet they are a modern, mature economy. Why is that? Probably because they follow the economic theories of the German Frierich List (who was directly inspired by Alexander Hamilton), rather than British Smith/Ricardo.

    In fact, the British free trade theory was put into practice in Britain in the latter half of the 19th century–which corresponds to a period of lackluster economic growth, and getting supplanted as the world’s largest economy. Sound familiar? It should.

    The theory of comparative advantage is beautiful. But no theory is too beautiful to be false.

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    • ” . . . the slow decline of America.”

      US GDP is $18 Trillion and still growing. I would not call that a “decline.”

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        • But, the largest economy in the world at $18 Trillion that is still growing proves that America is NOT declining as you said. Lol.

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        • Warren, let me ask you a question. BTW, all my questions are honest. Why do you have such a dour look on life? The US economy is the largest in the world, and it is growing. It will not be supplanted by China, even in manufacturing. Most Chinese manufacturing plants are subsidized by the Chinese government in many ways. If those subsidies stop, most of those companies will fail and there will be massive unemployment in China. At that point, there will be revolution. China is a regional power. And, it always will be one. Does it compare to the US? Not even close. So, I will ask my question again: Who do you have such a dour look on life?

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      • One sentence cherry picked from the Wikipedia–that settles it! However, you just made my point for me: that system of interchangeable parts was financed by the US Department of War in order to develop firearms for wars–an industry that was very much protected, thanks to Alexander Hamilton himself.

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        • Nah. It was the idea, and the application of that idea to industry, that made the US a manufacturing powerhouse. That proves you to be wrong.

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    • “In fact, the British free trade theory was put into practice in Britain in the latter half of the 19th century–which corresponds to a period of lackluster economic growth, and getting supplanted as the world’s largest economy. Sound familiar? It should.”

      It does not because it is false. “Instead, the greater liberalisation of trade from a large merchant base may have allowed Britain to produce and use emerging scientific and technological developments more effectively than countries with stronger monarchies, particularly China and Russia.”

      “Between 1870 and 1900, economic output per head of population in Britain and Ireland rose by 500 per cent, generating a significant rise in living standards”

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      • And during that time the USA supplanted the UK as the world’s largest economy–note that the USA did not buy into British theories of free markets either. At least not back then. This grand experiment in free market economics didn’t really get rolling until the 1970s. It’s been going for 40+ years now. I think the results are in.

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        • False. The US had few tariffs, and the ones it did have were nominal or pretty easy to evade. The US has a long coastline and the federal and state government did not have the resources back then. And, the fact that free trade caused Great Britain to become the world’s economic powerhouse for so long is amazing. It never should have been the world’s largest economy. It is, after all, a small country compared to the US.

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    • “The competitive advantage of the ROW is the fact they pay slave wages in dangerous working conditions with little to no environmental considerations.”

      No. That is just politically correct slogans from the left.

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      • Um, in 2016, the minimum wage in Bangladesh was $38/month. A factory also collapsed that killed 1200 workers in one accident.

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        • According to the Index of Economic Freedom, Bangladesh’s economy is “mostly unfree.” I wonder why government intrusion into the economy has not improved minimum wage or factory conditions? Perhaps they ought to free up their markets.

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      • It’s going to take more than 2 years of growth to make up for the 50,000 factories in the US that have closed in the last decade or two. Honest question: Where the heck do you live? Believe me, the Rust Belt exists. Get out of your bubble and drive around the midwest is my advice: you will see plenty of deindustrialization.

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        • I know the Rust Belt States quite well. Perhaps you ought to get out of your politically correct (and reality wrong) mindset and look around the rest of the US. There is manufacturing all over the place. And, it is worth more now than back in the days of the Rust Belt. The US is not de-industrializing.

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    • “. . . getting supplanted as the world’s largest economy.”

      Great Britain is still the 5th largest economy in the world. It was overtaken as other much larger countries like the US, China, Japan, and Germany caught up. That was not unexpected.

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      • There was little risk of a Thucydides Trap WRT to UK and US. Between China and USA? it could get very, VERY ugly. Bankrolling Communist China in the name of free market economics–instead of giving them the Cuba treatment for the last 50 years–was the stupidest thing ever done in US history.

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        • Nah. Learn something about geopolitics and you will find out China is an empire that has frequent revolutions. And, the revolutions happen when the people are hungry. The Chinese government won’t shoot the golden goose because the bullet will wind up in the leadership’s head.

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    • The accounting method is pretty computationally annoying. You can’t just add up bananas and fish (like you did). You need to put them into the same “currency” (either in terms of bananas or of fish). Then you can do the math. That’s a lot more annoying than simply adding the units together as I did. Is it “pure”? No, thus why I said “crudely.” But the concept is the same

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